2004 Election

It's people like you that were the reason Hitler killed millions of Jews, and Stalin killed millions of his own people.

Oh, because I'm not a rampant, genocidal lunatic like you suddenly makes ME similar to Hitler? That's a very interesting perspective. Too bad it's wrong.

We are not talking about an all-out nuclear war you dunce.

Okay, listen. Here's a theoretical scenario that could very well take place.

1) The US decides to invade North Korea to "liberate" the nation, and try to make it democratic. Save the starving people!
2) Kim does not like the idea of being invaded, and before his regime falls, he launches his nuclear arsenal on South Korea, as it is a very successful capitalistic nation, and one of his arch-enemies. The entire South Korean population of 48 million people is eradicated, but the nuclear winds spread north-west, through North Korea and into China.
3) China, a well-known supporter of North Korea during the cold war, also the reason why the US/UN did not manage to reunite the Koreas, do not like getting their soil irradiated. More than likely, they would sign trade embargoes against the US and likely other Western nations.

From here, an endless amount of outcomes could occur. Nothing may happen. Or maybe China launches a massive IBCM strike, targeting US soil with the knowledge of the US being impossible to conquer by conventional means. Trying a coup d'êtat on the US government would be close to impossible due to the strength of the army, and the amount of weapons carried by civilians in the US. You'd get the entire population against you. Better just obliterate everything. And of course, this leads to counterstrikes from the US to "save what's left" of the population, etcetera, etcetera.

We are not talking about an all-out nuclear war you dunce.

If North Korea decides to use nukes, then why the fuck are we not talking about an all out nuclear war?

I don't know why you people think I said we should go to war with them now, someone just asked for a reason to go. Nobody said he WE HAVE TO GO TO WAR WITH THEM, it would just be better for the world and everyone's lives to do away with communism altogether. I really don't see how you people can see anything from the communist's as being a reason not to irradicate their form of Tyranny.

Ok MJ, I have decided that you are hopeless when it comes to this subject since you are a liberal.

Ok MJ, I have decided that you are hopeless when it comes to this subject since you are a liberal.

I have decided you are hopeless when it comes to anything. And I would like to see the sources from where you pulled all that stuff about North Korea. You think you know everything, slick, but you don't. Don't you fucking dare to preach to me about my opinions.

And, Badboy, tell me, where exactly is the tyranny in communism?

It's called 1 child per family, it's called Stalin murdering thousands of his own people. It's called the North Vietnamese killing the South. It's called the North Koreans killing the South. It's called ANY country with STAN in it's name. It's called THE BERLIN WALL. It's called Cuba, a once very wealthy country, and now it's flooded with poverty. If you don't call that tyranny, than what is it.

Very good points you brought up there, badboy

It's called 1 child per family, it's called Stalin murdering thousands of his own people. It's called the North Vietnamese killing the South. It's called the North Koreans killing the South. It's called ANY country with STAN in it's name. It's called THE BERLIN WALL. It's called Cuba, a once very wealthy country, and now it's flooded with poverty. If you don't call that tyranny, than what is it.

You could name perfectly good examples of democracy that parallel those examples. And I had no idea Germany was a communist state during WW2...

The Russians took over Germany after World War II. Split it in two with half communist, half not. East Germany was communist.

Oh yea. I forgot it was put up after the war.

I still haven't found out why we are in Iraq, and Who the hell everyon wants to vote for....

Oh, because I'm not a rampant, genocidal lunatic like you suddenly makes ME similar to Hitler? That's a very interesting perspective. Too bad it's wrong.

No, it's your "If it doesn't affect me I don't care" perspective that allowed people like Hitler and Stalin to commit their attrocities.

Opposed to the "let's collect 20 good christians, get shotguns, and fly to Germany" plan.

I've got a thought. What gives us the damn right to make decisions for any other country.

Lets say that some other government doesn't like the way we're run. They decide to come here to liberate us. WE SURE AS HELL WOULDN'T FUCKING LET IT STAND.
But that christian/germany plan is a keeper.

Hay guyz bad things happened. I BLAME BUSH!!!!!!!!11111!1one

Seriously, the way you guys talk it seems like it's the reincarnation of Hitler. For God's sake, at least find another scapegoat. I'm tired of hearing about Bush being the anti-Christ.

Bush Isn't an anti christ at all, he's just an imbred redneck from texas that is war hungry.

No, it's your "If it doesn't affect me I don't care" perspective that allowed people like Hitler and Stalin to commit their attrocities.

In fact, it's called rational thinking; a quality which you do not seem to have. If Russia would attack the US with the intent of reestablishing the Soviet union and all of its old traditions, and you see pictures all over mass media with Russians who celebrate the attacks, wouldn't Bush perchance be likely to retaliate using military efforts or even nuclear weapons? What if Russia NUKED the US into oblivion, wouldn't a retaliatory strike take place? Or would the US gladly accept their loss? "Oh, wow, you nuked us and KILLED 99% of our population, capitalism must suck. We surrender." I don't think so.

So, let's bring this to the North Korean perspective ONCE AGAIN. The US strikes North Korea, and the collateral damage is great. Kim, who has a nuclear arsenal, would hardly just accept his loss; he'd unleash his nuclear wrath upon Capitalism; the EVIL of the world.

Oh, and maybe you overlooked North Korea's chances of turning into a democracy without fucking running at a risk of turning the Earth uninhabitable from permanent nuclear winter? Efforts are being made, especially by the UN, to get North Korea to give up their entire nuclear arsenal. They WILL get free, although the talks are going to take a number of years. A DDR-alike revolt could take place, too. And I hardly see a population of 22 million North Koreans to be a "measily peasant revolt", as someone ever-so-eloquently put it. And where exactly did you find out that their army is loyal to Kim? I'd REALLY like to see your sources for your information, zagggon, due to the controversy you've created.

I'm not liberal. I'm not even a member of the United States. All I do is to think rationally, unlike some others who think war is the ONLY solution to everything. Fucking atrocious bullies.

And no, communism is bad. It's very bad, especially as it isn't established as ANYTHING but a despotism anywhere in the world. Communism shouldn't have a leader who rules the people. How is that equal to anything? Forcing communism upon a people doesn't work without great casualties. The world should and WILL get rid of it, but war is NOT the key. War is just a dumb excuse for letting the US improve its heavily-war-dependent weapon industry economy.

I'm sick and tired of people calling him "an imbred redneck from texas." Prejudice anyone?

Oh yeah, Christians are the scum of the earth, we should have a Christian Genocide.

I say we give every son of a bitch in the states a lead jacket and drop some nukes on every piece of shit country in the world (a.k.a. everyone but Canada, England and Jamaica). Yay for fallout.

So your fine with letting Kim have his way and the North Koreans starving eh?

And you're fine with endangering the lives of 280+ million US citizens, and for that matter 6 billion people in the world? You're an ignorant sheep following the sheepherder (Bush) on whatever he decides to do. Think about it for five minutes and you'll realize just how stupid your stance on this is.

You're saying that we should directly endanger the WHOLE WORLD with mutually-assured destruction that WOULD happen if we were to try and invade North Korea since they do have nuclear weapons. You're saying that a few million "starving people" is worth putting the rest of the world on the line?

This and WWII are two completely different scenarios. If you want to try and use the reasoning that people who hold my opinion are the reason Hitler and Stalin did all their shit, think about what the circumstances were then. Hitler didn't have nukes. Russia fucking knew that if they were going to use their nuclear arsenal that the world would end, so they didn't do anything on that scale. But North Korea and its leader probably aren't going to think as rationally as Stalin did, because they don't really have much of a reason for being around anyway. You're basically saying that pissing off a guy with no nukes or a guy with nukes who knows what will happen if he uses them is the same as pissing off a guy with nukes who couldn't give a shit if his country was around after a war, so long as he gets to use his weapons to destroy capitalistic populations first.