Directed at Titus:

Great points Grav, on an off-topic note, somewhat, I had asked one of the older 'fellas here that if he honestly believed that Al Qaeda was in Iraq before we went to war there, and he told me that was the reason we went to war with Iraq. And I reminded him that WMDs where reportedly all in Sadaam's arsenal and he continued to tell me that we've already obtained them, and are now fighting the terrorist IRAQIS.


Funny shit. I just give up at this point..

Anyone can substantiate a point based on a certain view point from the press. I can quote direct reports, press conferences, etc. that will give me reason for believing Iraq and Afghanistan should be grouped together, and I can find other sources from the AP that would make me believe they shouldn't.

I already agreed that we shouldn't be in Iraq anymore, and things got out of control. I'm positive when I say that I couldn't imagine it was anyone's intention for the current state in that country, but it happened. Get over it.

Do I believe that Iraq has no ties whatsoever to terrorist cells that are connected to Al Queda? Not a chance. Does that make them connected? IMO, yes.

Even if the public was duped to believe there were WMD's in Iraq because we wanted control over their oil, there is absolutely nothing that can 100% confirm that conspiracy theory. Just because a majority of the people believe that's the case, doesn't make it fact. We are trying to debate opinions, not facts, and quite honestly, you two (Grav and D3V) apparently read and hear a lot of propoganda that supports your views, and you're regurgitating it all over Zelaron. Good job. I just don't happen to agree.

I already agreed that we shouldn't be in Iraq anymore, and things got out of control. I'm positive when I say that I couldn't imagine it was anyone's intention for the current state in that country, but it happened. Get over it.

Not only that, but we have a candidate in John McCain that wants us to remain in Iraq..

Do I believe that Iraq has no ties whatsoever to terrorist cells that are connected to Al Queda? Not a chance. Does that make them connected? IMO, yes

So they aren't connected, which makes them connected? Haha.

Even if the public was duped to believe there were WMD's in Iraq because we wanted control over their oil, there is absolutely nothing that can 100% confirm that conspiracy theory. Just because a majority of the people believe that's the case, doesn't make it fact. We are trying to debate opinions, not facts, and quite honestly, you two (Grav and D3V) apparently read and hear a lot of propoganda that supports your views, and you're regurgitating it all over Zelaron. Good job. I just don't happen to agree.

I could break down Haliburton's contracts that they have spewed all over the place and the record profits they've obtained just from Drilling in IRAQ AFTER THE WAR STARTED it's in the multi-billions in PROFIT alone, but that probably wouldn't take to you, and I guess it not being an actual press conference from the whitehouse or Foxnews then it would just be all propaganda

If we don't get a factual answer of why we went to war with Iraq, then we are free to speculate whatever we want, there aren't any facts anymore.

Do I believe that Iraq has no ties whatsoever to terrorist cells that are connected to Al Queda? Not a chance. Does that make them connected? IMO, yes So they aren't connected, which makes them connected? Haha.

So you can't read a simple paragraph, which makes you a moron?

I was being a smart-ass and I guess it flew right over your head, sorry that I didn't use any /sarcasm tags.

How was it being a smart-ass? There were no flaws in the paragraph. You simply didn't read it right.

Titus said.

Do I believe that Iraq has no ties whatsoever to terrorist cells that are connected to Al Queda? Not a chance. Does that make them connected? IMO, yes

So you think that Al Qaeda and Iraq are connected?. You're losing me here.

Anyone can substantiate a point based on a certain view point from the press. I can quote direct reports, press conferences, etc. that will give me reason for believing Iraq and Afghanistan should be grouped together, and I can find other sources from the AP that would make me believe they shouldn't.

9/11 commission report.

Do I believe that Iraq has no ties whatsoever to terrorist cells that are connected to Al Queda? Not a chance. Does that make them connected? IMO, yes.

My question to you, if it waas truly about terror cells and Al Qaeda, why do we continue to let Saudi Arabia harbor these same terrorists?

I'm guessing he'll say "PROVE IT" or some shit, provide links.

Though, Saudia Arabia and their leaders are great friends with the Bush family, go watch Farenheit 9/11 it explains the whole situation pretty well in depth, of course you wouldn't go out and attack/invade your best business partner.