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Posted 2008-05-27, 11:06 PM in reply to !King_Amazon!'s post starting "According to Christian beliefs, yes. ..."
Hmm, That is true, But that wouldn't quiet seem right. Unless the god abandoned us. Well K_A, you have me stumped. Although, It doesn't quiet seem right,That a God would abandon his people. In Buddhism, when you die, you get re-born until you reach Enlightenment, and once you reach Enlightment, you stop being Re-born. Which ultimately means you die.
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Posted 2008-05-27, 11:18 PM in reply to Coriander's post starting "Hmm, That is true, But that wouldn't..."
Actually, once you reach Enlightenment, you basically are in a higher plane of existance, if I remember right.

Anyway, you're thinking of "God" as a human-like being that has emotions and such. What if "God" is just a being that works with no intentions for anything or any sort of care about anything. Basically, God does what he wants on a whim. Or maybe he works like a machine, where he simply just does something.

You're defining a "God" as basically an overseer or something. Why couldn't a "God" just be an entity?
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Posted 2008-05-27, 11:22 PM in reply to !King_Amazon!'s post starting "Actually, once you reach Enlightenment,..."
I'm defining God by how I would expect a God to act, Which means I could(and most likely am.) Be wrong. He could be an Entity with no emotion and No Caring. He most likely would be an Entity. I use the Christian Version of God because I'm not educated on how the Other Religions percieve their God. If the Christian God is the true god, and had no Emotions or Caring, then why would he send his son to earth to cleanse us of our sin?
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Posted 2008-05-28, 06:19 AM in reply to Coriander's post starting "I'm defining God by how I would expect..."
He'd send his son to the earth to cleanse us of our sins to give us false hope.
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Posted 2008-05-28, 07:11 AM in reply to KagomJack's post starting "He'd send his son to the earth to..."
I'm sure God has an excellent sense of humor.














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Posted 2008-05-28, 07:31 AM in reply to Coriander's post starting "Hmm, That is true, But that wouldn't..."
Coriander said:
Hmm, That is true, But that wouldn't quiet seem right. Unless the god abandoned us. Well K_A, you have me stumped. Although, It doesn't quiet seem right,That a God would abandon his people. In Buddhism, when you die, you get re-born until you reach Enlightenment, and once you reach Enlightment, you stop being Re-born. Which ultimately means you die.
Coriander, what makes you think we're "his people." I mean, we occupy a tiny fraction on a pale blue dot which goes around a normal sized star which is not even seen as a spec of light from a distance. Maybe life was just an afterthought to him/her/it. A nice piece of decoration...
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Posted 2008-05-28, 07:43 AM in reply to Demosthenes's post starting "Coriander, what makes you think we're..."
Could possibly be the case. Just doesn't seem to me like He would make a whole race, a whole galaxy, and just not bother with it anymore.
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Posted 2008-05-28, 07:46 AM in reply to Coriander's post starting "Could possibly be the case. Just..."
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Could possibly be the case. Just doesn't seem to me like He would make a whole race, a whole galaxy, and just not bother with it anymore.
But there are an uncountable number of galaxies out there. What makes you think that ours has any sort of privilege.
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Posted 2008-05-28, 07:48 AM in reply to Demosthenes's post starting "But there are an uncountable number of..."
Well, If god is everywhere all the time, It would mean that he is here on this planet all the time, as well as all the others, and since Time isn't a factor for him, The least he could do is do something to help us out.
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Posted 2008-05-28, 07:57 AM in reply to Coriander's post starting "Well, If god is everywhere all the..."
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Well, If god is everywhere all the time, It would mean that he is here on this planet all the time, as well as all the others, and since Time isn't a factor for him, The least he could do is do something to help us out.
What would possess him to do that? We harm every other living thing we get our hands on!
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Posted 2008-05-28, 08:01 AM in reply to Demosthenes's post starting "What would possess him to do that? We..."
There is this thing in religion we call "Free Will".














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Posted 2008-05-28, 08:10 AM in reply to Demosthenes's post starting "What would possess him to do that? We..."
So Why hasn't he done something about that?
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Posted 2008-05-28, 08:15 AM in reply to Coriander's post starting "So Why hasn't he done something about..."
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So Why hasn't he done something about that?
Because he's imaginary?
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Posted 2008-05-28, 08:16 AM in reply to Demosthenes's post starting "Because he's imaginary?"
In my opinion, That's the reason.
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Posted 2008-05-28, 08:21 AM in reply to Coriander's post starting "In my opinion, That's the reason."
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In my opinion, That's the reason.
But to play Devil's Advocate (literally) and take a deistic approach to this, it may be because he's simply indifferent to life.
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Posted 2008-05-28, 08:25 AM in reply to Demosthenes's post starting "But to play Devil's Advocate..."
Possibly.

It could also mean He abandoned us.

It could Also mean He is there, just only affecting the people he wants to.

It could mean he simply doesn't care.
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Posted 2008-05-28, 08:45 AM in reply to Coriander's post starting "Possibly. It could also mean He..."
As D3V says, it's the "Free Will" argument.

Let's say that a God does exist. And let's say that this God did indeed create Man. Now, two choices face this God after creating man - does he control man and make them do all that the God wants, or does the God give Man free will to do as they please?

If the God lends a hand here and there, then poof goes free will.
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